Friday, June 10, 2011

My views on ANNA or BABA or both


It was a matter of great regret, that I was not alive at the time of the independence struggle. Would have loved to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Gandhiji and others. Fortunately, we are now living amidst an exciting time in this country. Two unique, people-driven movements led by Anna Hazare and Baba Ramdev have created a climate similar to the fight against the British. The stakes are equally high and both the issues - Jan Lokpal and Recovery of black money, are worthy ones.

The fight to rid the nation of corruption has many aspects, but these two issues have the potential to  reduce corruption to a very large extent. But in the dynamic climate of allegations and attacks using lies, half-truths and deceit, non-stop media attention and unfolding situations, what should be our strategy? It needs careful consideration and debate. In this blog, I am putting forward my viewpoint and encourage all readers to point out the flaws and suggest alternatives.

Two of the primary reasons that the Anna movement succeeded and it touched a chord in millions were
1. The credibility of the people involved. Remember Anna lives in a small room in the back of a temple and has sacrificed everything for others.
2. The movement stayed away from any ideology. No rightists, no leftists, no communism, no communalism. Just pragmatism. Whatever works for the nation. Free of all prejudice and divisiveness.

The Congress party and the media will keep on talking about Baba Ramdev and his alleged wealth, crores worth of trusts, 34 companies, private jet, business deals. Considering the amount of laws and rules that we have and the vast power of the Govt. which is desperately enquiring into his assets- it is likely that they may use half-truths and technicalities to unearth some dirt on Baba Ramdev. The fact is that Baba is close to Rightist organisations and that the BJP is trying to appropriate Baba as their leader. This may compromise the credibility of Anna Hazare's movement.

In light of the above, I suggest the following strategy
1. Anna Hazare's team to focus on a good Jan Lokpal Bill
2. Baba Ramdev to focus for bringing back the black money
3. Leadership should keep distance from each other so that irresponsible statement from either, or any weakness of either does not impact this historical movement against black money nor Jan Lokpal.
4. No public criticism of either party. If Anna is asked about private army comment of Baba - he should say that it is better that Baba explain. If Baba is asked about Narendra Modi comments of Anna - then he should say that it is better that Anna explains.
5. Keep on supporting each other's cause. Anna should support the ordinance for bringing back illegal money and Baba should support Jan Lokpal Bill, in all their public utterances.
6. Volunteers to work on both critical issues. They could have a priority based on their personal choice.

Finally, I am working with Anna Hazare or Baba Ramdev, because they are tools for me to serve my motherland. Everything and everyone is just a mean to serve my nation - including my body and mind.

I request all to give in their considered, brief views. Will try and forward the gist to the IAC main team.

93 comments:

Anonymous said...

I agree :)
Jai Hind !!

I want lok pal said...

i agree n also support both of them. The govt's since freedom they have looted us. i want Lok pal bill thats it

Gitesh said...

Well said sir,
We should not fall prey to character assassination carried out by so called leaders, and must not loose focus from Janlokpal and Black Money Issue.,

Maya said...

Mayankbahi,

Wonderful Article. It gives us clarity in the confusion created. If we work according to the suggestions in your block, our win will be closer in a shorter period of time.

Great work!

Maya

skk said...

Hi friend, you have given a perfect thoughts, suggestion or solution we can say.You have spoken my words ! I appeal to all to read this carefully...

Neeru said...

Wonderful suggestion!!! Short n precise.. great i agree

Mahesh said...

I fully agree with you Mayank.. Same thought lies in my mind and heart... Jai Hind..

To the People who do critics on India Against Corruption Movement:
Badh gayi hai peer,Parvat si pighalni chahiye Is Himalaya se koi Ganga nikalni chahiye, Mere seene main nahi to tere seene me hi sahi, Ho kahin bhi aag lekin aag lagni chahiye, Sirf hungama khada karna mera maksad nahi, Meri koshish hai ki ye SURAT badalni chahiye.

ArjuN P said...

good article.. but once in a while i have doubts bout baba n his motives.. by associating with babas movement Anna is actually loosing his image. what is best for both of them will be to remain separate and fight their own cause that's better for the followers and motives also. And also the most important thing here is not at all to bring back the black money but to destroy the sources of black money.. we should be fighting the disease not the symptoms.

Anonymous said...

Yes, this message should reach both Ramdevji and Anna for starters. They are simple people with a noble goal and words are being put into their mouths and they are being quoted out of context. We all should support the goal and this article objectively delineates the issues. May there be cohesiveness among all fellow Indians as we move towards a corruption free India and a Golden Era!

Anonymous said...

No problem with anna...he is doing a great job....but cant believe the So Called BABA...what is his identity??a hermit or a politician.?the issue is serious(black money)...the culprits should be brought to justice...but bringin religion (hindu or muslim)in your speech is simply not acceptable...

Manish Mishra said...

I agree that this is time to support the cause by supporting the Baba Ramdev and Anna. Govt and congress party will do their best to discredit these two. We must stick to the real cause of removing corruption and make the government behave, as they are acting for the people not ruling them to make the money.

Anonymous said...

very correct sir, here the cause is greater than the personalities

Debojyoti said...

Baba is being criticised for bringing political parties, but ultimately for any change to stay there must be change in the government. The Anna movement is doing incredible job in fighting corruption and I support them for that, but will the change last if good people do not join politics? What will be the end of this movement?
At its present form the movement will end with passage of some bills and then power will be retained by the corrupt. One of the reason for Mahatma Gandhi's (on whom this movement is being modelled)success can be attributed to the fact that he could influence the largest and dominant party.

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Sahil Jain said...

Very well said...
One more point why anna's janlokpal movement is a huge success..
The kind of ppl anna ji has in his team are incredible.
1.Kiran Bedi
- First woman IPS officer, a lady who inspires millions in this nation, lady who didnt even spare the PM and towed Indira Gandhi's car(due to No parking issue).

2.Arvind Kejriwal-
B.Tech(Mechanical),IIT Kharaghpur Alumni, gave civil services exam and joined Indian Revenue Services(IRS), worked in Income Tax dept for very long.

3.Prashant Bhushan-
One of the most successful advocate of Supreme Court.Has filed more than 500 PIL in SC.
Also he got selected in IIT Madras, but left IIT after one year.(Being an IITian-roorkee I understand why he did that).

4.Shanti Bhushan-
One of the most successful and experienced advocate of Supreme Court.F/o Prashant bhushan.

5.Santosh hegde-
Justice Santosh hegde is the judge t Karnataka's Lokaayukt.
Currently lokayukt exist in 17 states in india , but all are only recommendatory agencies and powerless.

Existence of such people who know, every bit of The constitution, Indian Penal Code(IPC) and Laws have made this movement a success.

JAI HIND.
VANDE MATARAM.

Anu said...

The issue of black money should be dealt by Anna..the Ramdev histrionics are complete nonsense..A man of questionable credibility cannot lead a moral movement, It is as absurd as Dawood Ibrahim fronting the Animal rights cause..Would we support it?/ (in the current scenario, I am beginning to beleive we will!)

adnaan said...

My Views on your Views.

I think your opinion is either naive or you do understand the fallout of the Baba situation and you are trying to ignore it. Your only priority is to win this war (this war of corruption in todays' India) which is
very admirable yet stupid.

The tools you are talking about or not lifeless ideologies but walking and talking men/women who could be used/misused.

Remember J.P Narayan ? He intended to begin a total revolution which was to change the face of Bihar. And the face of Bihar did change when the failed and misguided revolution threw up the likes of pseudo religious-social equity leaders like Lalu Prasad Yadav, Ram Vilas Paswan who went on to destroy Bihar economically and socially.


Now up to this point, you must be thinking, this is not the same age, and not the same problem. But the problem is the same. You are trying to remove an evil through extra-constitutional means. It would make sense when all constitutional strategies have failed( like in the case of citizen ombudsman, Jan Lokpal Bill), but Baba Ramdev's concern on black money issue is premature.

But let's just suppose Baba Ramdev does get successful in getting the black money back. Do you think he will just vanish after that?. No he won't. So what would he do after that?

Well, among other things he wants death sentence for corrupt, homosexuality as a crime, 11000 strong peaceful "army", and few others ridiculous and frivolous ideas.

Therefore , when you validate Baba's ideas either you support only his good one's and ignore the bad one's which though shows naivety but also shows you will do anything to serve your motherland or you are validating all the ideas of Baba's and you have hidden vested interests.

I am not trying to be idealistic here. Just think about it. The more the things change the more they remain same.

balan said...

perfect plan..i agree in totality on this..just another tthought never let the politicians and the rogue media channels throw slush at each other and create any kinda of confusion in the peoples mind...

Bhavin M said...

Your blogs are always thought provoking and enlightening.

One thing I would like to add here in the context of pragmatism is that people who support Anna but doubt the intentions of Baba should understand that a cause for a nation is bigger than an individual.

What I mean by that is one may not agree by Baba's ideology or who stands behind him but the one cause he is fighting for is important for the nation so one can doubt his intentions but it does not help to add fuel to that argument. It only helps the politicians who wants a rift to grow. Lets put that aside our thoughts and doubts about Baba and his ideology for now and stand by him to fight for a cause that serves the nation.

pankaj said...

I just agree sir,with you.Iam sure positive days are ahead.

Shrirang said...

SeƱor Gandhi,

Perfect analysis of prevailing transitory interval of "transparency consciousness" among masses.

Just would like to add,attempts should be made to "persuade and influence" Minister Antony(Defence) and Minister Ramesh(Environment and Forestry).It appears that they could turn out to be immaculate insider(s) aka "Vibhishan(s)" we may need,when Jan-Lokpal bill would be put up in parliament for voting.

sagar said...

Hi Mayankjee,
You have given wonderful views I think this should be translated & given to Anna & Baba Ramdev so tht thy can think over it & will try to implement t same.

satish said...

I Definitely support fight against corruption whether it is lead by a baba or anna hazare. It doesnt matters for me. But the only thing which matters is their credibility. Really i cound not say or call contemporary babas like Ramdev as baba. It is true baba ramdev or pandit ravishankar they are business men rather than babas. Leading the society towards spirtual direction should be always in selfless manner.
If it is not by businees baba ramdev have to prove his creditbility by showing his propertys' and how they r obtained.

Rajesh said...

Mayankbhai, Great, We have to focus on our objective, Now its very much clarity for all.

mayank saxena said...

well said mayank bhai

Anonymous said...

My views are slightly different. United we stand, divided we fall. Looks like we indians have in our blood to get divided very quickly and for silly reasons. Whether baba ramdev is a millionaire or anna ji lives in a temple are irrelevant. What is most important is the sincerity with which they are fighting for the good of coming generations of Indians. One should not find with faults with babaji due to the facts that he owns wealth and wears saffron. These are his personal views and preferences. Again i would say united we stand, divided we fall.

Anonymous said...

I would say it is nicely written. In my personnel views, I support Anna ji, with all the means possible. I support Ramdev's cause but the means and Ramdev himself.

If you look at Ramdev's way of getting the black money back, i would say that its naive. U can not just being black money back in just one day. You need a proper and systematic approach. Supreme court is looking into the matter and govt is also doing its bit. All the things are not in govt's hand. ( I m not supporter of any political party.)

I believe, Ramdev is going good, but right now, our main focus should be Anna jee. Lets stop the generation of Black money it self.

guddoo said...

Mayank: I find both anna as well as ramdev being controlled by few with hitler type of control. tho nothing wrong with that.....but this movement can only survive if the grassroots are kept involved...remember common man is investing time n money which he/she does nt hv in plenty!! also i feel its being managed in a slip shod manner!!

ankitp3490 said...

Wasnt baba better of supporting anna's cause and considering huge bhakt following of less educated people and made anna's agitation stronger.

And you see anna's team is not only raising question on a problem they are providing legitimate solution with knowledged people in their armory.. The amount study and effort should not be missed while comparing anna and baba...

Baba's intentions were obviously dubious, either he wanted to be hero to enter politics or support any party else.

While Anna's team is shrewd to be away from political parties right away...

Rakesh said...

Dear Mr Gandhi,

Great intentions & well articulated... However some areas that I would disagree.
Nation building is great, but one cannot use any given platform for the purpose. Anna's movement may have gained it's credibility & may well serve its purpose because most people joined voluntarily & decisions were an individual's own.
An organised movement such as Ramdev's cannot be encouraged where people with communal & political interests are instructed to join in large numbers as a show of strength. Tomorrow the Maoists may be able to organise lakhs of people to protest for a cause... Where will that leave the nation?
If Nation Building is the intention, then lets not tear the Nation apart in the process. What we need is to strengthen & improve the existing systems & not encourage people to defer to a new promise...
These movements are inadvertently encouraging the idea of being an anti-politician which easily can become very popular, but that will be then end of our parliamentary democracy which in the first place gives us the right to protest.

As you said Anna should focus on the Lokpal bill & let the goverment & Ramdev sort out between themselves as a completely separate issue. No show of solidarity is required between them. If Anna feels the need to take up the issue of Black money, he should do it himself after solving the first issue that he stood for & not associate with other who can diminish the credibility of the entire movement as we see today.

Best wishes if the intensions are still good.

amit said...

I agree with you.

I feel that government is using old but power full game which teach by British "Dived N Rule". Govt. is diveding people of India. So they are saying that Anna & Baba Ramdev is mask of RSS & BJP,which is wrong. Baba Ramdev is become very soft target due to RSS & BJP support his cause,why they support is their matter but govt. got chance prove him(Baba) communal and Anna also support Baba cause so govt. also target him. And baba ramdev also made some mistakes in his speech in lack of knowledge about politics. If baba want full support of people of india he should give statements very carefully n clear his stand again that he want black money back to india..and..he is not full filling the agenda of any political party. He want full support of common people from all over the india. A little suggestion for Anna & Baba they both maintain distance with every political party.

NAINA said...

I am with Anna Hazare... but I am not with Ramdev babaji.. because some where i found there is something fishy in his motivation activity.. I think so he want to come out as some political leader.. but I found Anna as true leader..., because he says and do exactly the same thing which always crosses my mind.. :)

RAJ SINH said...

Mayank ,Pahlee baat to main vyaktipoojak naheen Rashtrapoojak hoon jo aap bhee khud ko bata rahe hain .ye donon hee is baat ko jane ki yah ' KAJ ' inse bhee bada hai .DESH HIT hai. ye dono ya aur koyee aur hee sahee supplementary aur complementary hone chahiye .dono hee ke mudde DESH ke sarvottam hit me hain .
Agar ye dono apna apna aham chhod ,ek doosare se jyada credit le lene ka moh chhod ,khas kar unke peechhe fayada uthane aur self promotion me mahir tikadamee dhoorton( jinme deshdrohee aur Sarkaree agent bhee shamil ho gaye hain ) se mukt ho jayen ,30 Jan. Ramlila maidan kee sangathit shakti kee vapsee kee jaye aur usme anya pramukh log jo is uddes me yakeen rakhte hon tatha pooree janata ko sath le,bhale unke apne vyaktigat vichar ,dharm ,aastha ya rajnaitik drishti kuchh bhee ho , sirf ek mudda ' BHRASHTACHAR ' par aage lagam peechhe ka hisab aur VIDESHON me jama KALADHAN lane tak simit rahen to dono poojya honge tatha har koyee jo is desh ke abhiyan me shamil ho.IS PAR EKMAT hona jarooree hai bas !
kyonki yah vyaktiyon ke naheen unke vyaktigat labh hani ,yash apyash kee naheen ,desh kee ladayee hai aur isme sabhee khud ko SIPAHEE hee mane MAHAPURUSH naheen .Aur sabhee pooree pardarshita se kam karen GUP CHUP vartalap na karen na JODTOD me lagen ,parde ke peechhe aur har gatividhi apnee janta ko batate rahen .Iske alawa koyee aur mudde koyee na uthaye jo is uddes me badha ho ya bantne ka kam kare .Aise koyee statement naheen diye jayen .TABHEE HAM JEET SAKTE HAIN .
Main sabse yahee vinatee karunga ki yah uddes hee bhagwan hai aur sab iske bhakt . KOYEE BHAGWAN BANNE KEE KOSHIS NA KARE. Ek DEVEE ' BHARATMATA ' hee poojy hai aur sabhee usee ke sipahee, jinkee IMANDAREE aur PRATIBADDHATA sawalon ke ghere me na aane paye aur koyee bhee jimmedaree aur UTTARDAYITVA se pare na ho .YE LADAAYEE TO AB NAHEEN RUKNE DENA HAI NA ROKEE HEE JA SAKTEE HAI. BHALE JAROOREE HO TO SENAPATI badle jaa sakte hain . JO POOREE FAUJ KO EK SAATH RAKH SAKE AUR BARGALAYA JAKAR SARKAREE ISTEMAL KEE CHEEJ NA BAN JAYEn.BAS ,PERIOD .
JAI HIND !

Anonymous said...

I think we all people definitely are more blessed as we are writing on this blog and hence are well settled have access to internet which means our day to day lives are better than other millions of people living below poverty line. We may not be affected by Corruption and Black money to that extent and hence we are very liberal in our approach, but if you really think about it. You would understand that what is happening today is a very moderate uprising. It is high time that we take these issues very seriously and start supporting anyone who at least gives up his day to day comfort.

Shashank said...

Mr Arjun P, I would suggest you that you and anybody else should not create any doubt about Baba Ramdev. What if he is a corrupt baba? What if he has crores of Rupees? What if he has not paid taxes duly? The most sacred thing about him is that he is demanding to get back my money, your money,every body else's money from the foreign banks which has been 'looted' by the corrupt politicians and officers.One thing is sure that this money will not go into the pocket of Ramdev. Jaihind

manyuabhi said...

why is everyone blaming government as the reason for corruption or black money? Do you have any proof that the money in foreign a/c are all owned by politicians and that tpp congress in particular? What makes these moments powerful is that people have joined both of them in numbers. Personally I am with Anna Hazare Group, not because of the demands but for the fact that they dnt have any hidden agenda. But, now I am worried about these people mis leading the nation on everything (asking for a video recording of the proceedings of debate, we have live telecast of both rajya sabha and lok sabha, what else is "live"). When people joined this moment to this day, I have seen no change in the mind set of the people around me. Have you seen any change? Do you think the levele of corruption has decreased. NO, AND YOU CANNOT BLAME THIS TO THE GOVERNMENT. We are single mindedly blaing the govt for everything when we ourself are breaking very rule written in the book. The Constant media attentiona is giving unnecessary fame to this "people's movememt" which is more of a drama rather than struggle. What is the need of Civil Society to come out after every meeting at tell us that the govt is doing this and they are not serious, and than they tell you when are we meeting next? What's the point you are making here?
I had high hopes as this could have united the country, changing it well I doubt that because its not only the politicians that are corrupt, from the peon to the traffic police to ticket master to school principal everyone is corrupt, just setting up a commette wont solve anything, changing the mind set is important. The so called "youth movement" is the facebook generation that is supporting Anna Hazare so that they can upload some fancy photographs and when these people are caught throwing waste on the streets its "chalta hai", when they tease and abuse girls "its our time". We should be more realistic and try to channel the movement towards awakening the society that thinks that only the politicians are corrupt and they do it because they dont demand crores of ruppees unlike politicians. Its not justified Sir

rakesh mishra said...

I support anna & baba both. because both are doing everything for country.

punnu said...

Rightly said Mayank.
I think Baba Ramdev and Anna movement are both equally important and necessary ; though I would say Ramdev movement has a broader objective to change the overall system for better.
I would say why only 2 leaders, there should be more leaders to come front and fight the system unless they are all united and serve a common cause. We should remember that for our freedom struggle there were lot of leaders fighting the British.At the end , it is more important that we stand united rather blaming and identifying faults amongst us.

Abhijit Juvekar said...

Every INDIAN please see these videos & try to act likewise, our country will automatically become self sustained and corruption will end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh8QIs9rpD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_M-3ujBbzY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsm-5acp7NQ

Thanks

Priyanka said...

This article is all about which exactly each Indian citizen should understand. Rather then claiming baba's motive (internal), concentrate on the path which baba and anna both have shown to us.

There are lot of issues coming across related to the government, their property and other things. But please everyone do not forget that we have got an opportunity to serve our motherland. One should not forget the voice against JAN LOKPAL BILL, and BLACK MONEY.

Don't torn out other issues, we have a lot to construct.....

Priyanka said...

This article is all about which exactly each Indian citizen should understand. Rather then claiming baba's motive (internal), concentrate on the path which baba and anna both have shown to us.

There are lot of issues coming across related to the government, their property and other things. But please everyone do not forget that we have got an opportunity to serve our motherland. One should not forget the voice against JAN LOKPAL BILL, and BLACK MONEY.

Don't torn out other issues, we have a lot to construct.....

ram manohar said...

yes i agree with you there is no doubt that satyagraha is the best way of protest when we can drive out britishers we can definately change the hearts of the people at the helm of affairs in this country of ours its natural that they will resist to this its jsut like when we clean a place the dirt can be cleanned with just a broom but the dirt stuck to the ground nedds the use of water ,soap etc and in this struggle also we will need blood to remove the dirt that does not want to leave the powerful seats they want be stucked with this struggle needs to grow to such a level that anna or no anna baba or no baba this should go on till we clean the system and it is possible only when more and more common people join this agitation ONE OF MY SUGGESTION IS LET THE GOVT WHICH CLAIMS TO BE THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF GANDHIAN PRINCIPLES AND INHERITORS OF HIS LEGACY AND THE CIVIL SOCIETY WHICH IS LIVING ON GANDHIJIS PRINCIPLE BOTH SIT ON SATYAGRAHA AGAINST EACH OTHERS I MEAN 5 PERSONS FROM CIVIL SOCIETY AND 5 OF THE MINISTERS INCLUDING SONIA AND THE PM SIT ON SATYAGRAHA WHICHEVER GROUP LOSES THE BATTLE SHOUL CONCEDE TO THERE DEMANDS.THIS WILL BE THE MOST NON VIOLENT WAR,ONLY AND ONLY THE TRUTH WILL WIN

Tarun said...

Hi Mayank,

Well analysed. My belief is, we can cleanse the system completely only when we are part of the political system also. While we need proper checks and balances to keep a legitimate tab on ppl in power and their actions. This plan is well strategised and a simple addition has to be that the plan of action of Anna and Baba has to be better public relations and proper co-ordination of actions. This way the Guv cannot create rifts, divide public opinion or deviate from the core issues of anti-corruption and black money retrieval.

Thanks,
Tarun

Anonymous said...

We want corruption free nation..I support both.We missed freedom movement against britishers,but now I don't want to miss opportunity to fight against corruption.Jai Hind..

satish jain said...

In my view,we should stand united both witn ANNA and BABA RAMDEV because we should focus only on the cause for which they both are fighting.If they both get separated,goverment will win in its strategy of dividing the civil society and people of india.Instead of this i want to appeal to media and people to not to focus on irrelevant matters and personal attack.we should support their movement by all means.long live revolution
JAI HIND...

Naga said...

This a very small but a IMPORTANT HAPPENING in INDIA'S FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION!! I would like to recall DEFENCE MINISTER A.K.ANTONYS recent obsevation that INDIA IS STILL NOT READY for an era of transparency & thats the reason whether it is Politicians or Bureaucrats or ARMY MAJORS are against this movement.
This MOVEMENT has to sustain until 2014 & CONG has to be thrown out!! At the same time the alternate BJP should be made to UNDERSTAND corruption is the country's MOST IMPORTANT MALICE.
This movement will have to MARCH THIS WHOLE GENERATION without RESPITE to root out CORRUPTION. 100'S OF ANNA'S & BABA'S are necessary to DO THIS. WE HAVE TO JUST MARCH ON AGAINST these LOOTERS who are vey well organised.
BUT MY ONLY WORRY IS even GEN NXT LEADER'S like RAHUL, J.SCINDIA,JITIN PILOT havent opened their mouth to PROTEST the WRONG PATH CONG HAS TAKEN.Have they too fallen for the "OBVIOUS"?????

guptes said...

Faces on faces
Anna’s movement was the first such incident for our govt so they were quite incomfortable to come on to the media and public . there were no chances near the govt to counter attack . so it was a success . but it is the rule of human psychology that: “ whoever will create a rule he will try to keep himself above it “ . same is the case for our govt . govt agreed to go for a jan lok pal bill but trying to keep itself above it .
But now the situation has changed .govt got a lesson from Anna movement that “whether you fulfill the demand or not , it does not matter but it is important to keep public support in hand . it can only be possible if you will buy the media (electronics and news paper) ” .and its working truly . have you judged that the news regarding Baba ramdev’s movemet is no more getting place in front page . the news content is also minimized as If some one has ordered . since govt has bought the media now they are able to go for counter attack on facts that might be true or false no one knows . ok for a minute lets take that what ever the govt is complaining is true . then one question arise in my mind that “did not they knew all this before the movement ?” so the inference is that govt is doing all these to break the attention of common people .after all the reason for the Baba movement is right . then why did not govt accept it .
One more reason that govt is not listening to Baba’s movement is that – if the govt will break for this movement then also 1 lakh crore of investment is enough to come back to govt again in the election . then why to bring all 400 lakh crore to india . it might also be a reason .
So according to me , Indians should come forward to join Anna to bring a strong jan lok pal bill and Baba tobring back black money into our country . youth should play its role and give proper reply to the face on face image of govt . personally its my request to Anna to form a political party out of religion, caste ,locality … a party consisting of people who feel proud to be an Indian . this is all about my ideas for it ..

guptes said...

Faces on faces
Anna’s movement was the first such incident for our govt so they were quite incomfortable to come on to the media and public . there were no chances near the govt to counter attack . so it was a success . but it is the rule of human psychology that: “ whoever will create a rule he will try to keep himself above it “ . same is the case for our govt . govt agreed to go for a jan lok pal bill but trying to keep itself above it .
But now the situation has changed .govt got a lesson from Anna movement that “whether you fulfill the demand or not , it does not matter but it is important to keep public support in hand . it can only be possible if you will buy the media (electronics and news paper) ” .and its working truly . have you judged that the news regarding Baba ramdev’s movemet is no more getting place in front page . the news content is also minimized as If some one has ordered . since govt has bought the media now they are able to go for counter attack on facts that might be true or false no one knows . ok for a minute lets take that what ever the govt is complaining is true . then one question arise in my mind that “did not they knew all this before the movement ?” so the inference is that govt is doing all these to break the attention of common people .after all the reason for the Baba movement is right . then why did not govt accept it .
One more reason that govt is not listening to Baba’s movement is that – if the govt will break for this movement then also 1 lakh crore of investment is enough to come back to govt again in the election . then why to bring all 400 lakh crore to india . it might also be a reason .
So according to me , Indians should come forward to join Anna to bring a strong jan lok pal bill and Baba tobring back black money into our country . youth should play its role and give proper reply to the face on face image of govt . personally its my request to Anna to form a political party out of religion, caste ,locality … a party consisting of people who feel proud to be an Indian . this is all about my ideas for it ..

Anonymous said...

I didnt get the logic behind tagging someone corrupt or less credible for running a legitimate business and all the money that has come into his trust is audited every year.

Unlike hasan n other, ramdev has been speaking against MNC products from a very long time n also talking against corrupt political setup n politicians from yrs .So chances r less or say no chance that corp & policians will show som friendliness to ramdev. Till now no one has been able to find anything wrong with his company.

Some are saying its a publicity stunt. Than answer my one question why would anyone take such steps after which politicians (not jus congress only, sabhi ke paise hai waha pe),corporates n mafia will become hungry for their blood ??? There many are many other ways of safe publicity.

Support has come from all sides. Not just saffron side.

1. India Against Corruption
2. Art of Living(Sri Sri Ravi Shankar)
3. New Delhi Bar Association
4. Madrasa Taleem-Ul-Quran
5. Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee
6. Shree Digambar Jain Samaj
7. Bharat Vikas Parishad
8. The Buddhist Society of India
9. Sant Mahasabha
10. Bharatiya Kisaan Union, Haryana
11. Darul Uloom Taleem-Ul-Quraan
12. Akhil Bharatiya Sarvadaliya Gauraksha Mahabhiyan Samiti
13. ABVP student union(10 lakh+ students)
14. Hind Rashtra Ekta Samiti
15. Golden India Pondicherry
16. Friends of India Society International
17. Bharat Swabhiman Overseas
18. Air India Pilot's Welfare Association

( http://www.facebook.com/notes/bharat-swabhiman-trust-official/entire-country-has-stood-up-with-swami-ramdev-to-fight-corruption-and-black-mone/158783154187721 )

Now Transperency international too is supporting this movement

Anonymous said...

IF WE WANT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH DEMOCRATIC SENSE THAN WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE ANYONE TO SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT OR STOP ANYONE FROM SUPPORTING THIS MOVEMENT

by bringing favourism or preference factor we will cause damage to the movement

for example say ... if these movements have got started with a declaration that RSS,VHP,NDA stay away than ppl would have alleged that its a fixed drama by UPA. At present, you have not made any such declaration of staying away from RSS,VHP,BJP. So some are allegeing that its a BJP/RSS drama. So in either case there will be some people who will take it wrongly only. You cant do much here. So be neutral. No need to declare who should join and who should stay away. Let them support but not share the stage.In short, trying to say be democratic in approach n let people decide they should support or not.

Now a very basic question ???

if you are not democratic in your approach than do ask yourself "WHO SHOULD JOIN THE MOVEMENT?". You can get the answer for this question over a coffee table discussion.

but this question is not valid for democratic approach. For democratic approach right question would be "Whom we can expect to join this movement". Answer is simple. One who is very badly pinched by corruption will surely support it.

SO NOW THE REAL QUESTION COMES WHO IS BADLY PINCHED ???

is a vada-pav/pan-bidi/idli wala anna seller badly pinched ???

are people from cinema n telivison n theaters n media badly pinched???

are college or school going student badly pinched ???

are people running NGO n retail store n tapri all badly pinhed ???

are people affiliated to org/committee like RSS,VHP,Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee,The Buddhist Society of India,Darul Uloom,BST etc etc ... badly pinched ???

i hope answer for all the above question is YES

whatever profession they come from or whatever orgainsation they affiliate to ... ALL ARE BADLY PINCHED BY CORRUPTION

for me this single reason is more than enough to welcome support from ny INDIAN belonging to any XYZ profession / business / color / caste etc

Lets not get into the post mortem of individual.Focus on CAUSE which connects all of us i.e corruption ... the problem with you guys is your trying connect supporter on the basis of individual and not cause ... i got connected to IAC n BST for the genuine cause of reducing corruption from India n nothing else.

Anna n Ramdev serves the purpose of catalyst n no one can say but only we can hope for good outcomes from all this. We have to stay positive in every way. All we want is to hear some progress to eradicate the issue of corruption and black.

Somi said...

IF WE WANT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH DEMOCRATIC SENSE THAN WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE ANYONE TO SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT OR STOP ANYONE FROM SUPPORTING THIS MOVEMENT

by bringing favourism or preference factor we will cause damage to the movement

for example say ... if these movements have got started with a declaration that RSS,VHP,NDA stay away than ppl would have alleged that its a fixed drama by UPA. At present, you have not made any such declaration of staying away from RSS,VHP,BJP. So some are allegeing that its a BJP/RSS drama. So in either case there will be some people who will take it wrongly only. You cant do much here. So be neutral. No need to declare who should join and who should stay away. Let them support but not share the stage.In short, trying to say be democratic in approach n let people decide they should support or not.

Now a very basic question ???

if you are not democratic in your approach than do ask yourself "WHO SHOULD JOIN THE MOVEMENT?". You can get the answer for this question over a coffee table discussion.

but this question is not valid for democratic approach. For democratic approach right question would be "Whom we can expect to join this movement". Answer is simple. One who is very badly pinched by corruption will surely support it.

SO NOW THE REAL QUESTION COMES WHO IS BADLY PINCHED ???

is a vada-pav/pan-bidi/idli wala anna seller badly pinched ???

are people from cinema n telivison n theaters n media badly pinched???

are college or school going student badly pinched ???

are people running NGO n retail store n tapri all badly pinhed ???

are people affiliated to org/committee like RSS,VHP,Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee,The Buddhist Society of India,Darul Uloom,BST etc etc ... badly pinched ???

i hope answer for all the above question is YES

whatever profession they come from or whatever orgainsation they affiliate to ... ALL ARE BADLY PINCHED BY CORRUPTION

for me this single reason is more than enough to welcome support from ny INDIAN belonging to any XYZ profession / business / color / caste etc

Lets not get into the post mortem of individual.Focus on CAUSE which connects all of us i.e corruption ... the problem with you guys is your trying connect supporter on the basis of individual and not cause ... i got connected to IAC n BST for the genuine cause of reducing corruption from India n nothing else.

Anna n Ramdev serves the purpose of catalyst n no one can say but only we can hope for good outcomes from all this. We have to stay positive in every way. All we want is to hear some progress to eradicate the issue of corruption and black.

vishal said...

Mayank Sir,
Very well said, both the movements have thier own importance, we should not take either side. We should support both the movements.

commodity said...

UPA Govt is Provoking the The Innocent Indian Public, The Aam Admi,Civil Society,to Revolt back and Burn them alive by Crushing Anti Corruption Movement. The world is Watching even Italy Public are feeling the shame becoz of Sonia(Origin) How Disgusting !!! indeed it is Fact

commodity said...

UPA Govt is Provoking the The Innocent Indian Public, The Aam Admi,Civil Society,to Revolt back and Burn them alive by Crushing Anti Corruption Movement. The world is Watching even Italy Public are feeling the shame becoz of Sonia(Origin) How Disgusting !!! indeed it is Fact

Creative Management Systems said...

When can some one expect -
"Sare jahamse Acha Hindustan Hamara."
JAI HIND.

Chandan Das said...

1. We must get the focus on the issues rather than the personalities involved. when we find that the opponents who have a lot of ill gotten wealth to lose attempting to do such character assassinations they may go to the next level too to actually eliminate the leaders of such movements. The British were atleast having enough morality to prevent some of their dastardly generals from making such attempts on Gandhiji.
2. All the people especially those who indulge in minor corruptions must be made to understand that the money they save by helping in this system actually cause huge intangible losses, and those losses need not necessarily be economical. The driver who got his licence by paying a bribe is likely to be the cause of the death of your loved ones. (Pathi silks family of bangalore lost a few because of an one eyed lorry driver, who should never have been driving)

Anonymous said...

sir, i m in favour of u and fell proude to give my support to both ramdev ji and anna ji. They r d real patriot son of india. Non of us(one gave their comment) will sit in hunger strike more than 1day but baba ji has sat 7days why..? because he loves his nation more than d guy who raise their question about baba's character. Jai hind

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Vinod said...

I agree in toto with whatever you have written, Mayank Ji.I m very impressed by the analytical approach with which you have arrived at you suggestions...wonderful article...!!My heartfelt accolades to you for this meaningful and thoughtful article.
I am ALSO IMPRESSED BY Mr. Sahil Jain's remarks that he has posted in response to your article.He is also dead right in his analysis...!!JAI HIND

Anonymous said...

THIRD FRONT
===========
Yes all said is already understood and common sense.But we need a third front.We need a three pronged attack.This third front should reign in the Corporate and the Media houses.Gandhiji has two main category of tools in his hand 1)Satyagraha 2)Consumergiri. The third front should concentrate on 'Consumergiri'.No matter what govt comes the show is usual although the corporate houses that are given preferential treatment slightly varies. The govt and democratic institutions are very weak to stand against the massively long armed and deep pocket Corporate houses.They will fear nobody.They will change policy Rajas and even the govts and PMs at will.They will only fear one.THAT IS YOU :The consumer.History is all about resources.If we did not have resouces the Birtish would not have spent so much time here.All the politicians, corporate houses, brokers, lobbyists, media you name who, they are only after one thing :YOUR WALLET.So we need a third front that takes up this issue. For eg: www.topup2g.org Contact topup2g@gmail.com Consumergiri is a very potent solution and is internationally legal and moreover a Gandhian method.It hits at the root of High level Corruptio.It is a very POTENT solution and quick results solution and repeatable.Scamsters will come running to you.You are the comsumer.You are the KING.

Kshitiz Uttam said...

Interesting post Mayank. But I dare say you were not at your analytical best this time.

Its impossible to keep these two movements separate and yet supporting each other. Take for example the case of Ramdev's army of 11,000. IAC would have to take a view on such outlandish suggestions.

The problem is with Ramdev. No doubt he has a huge following. But the man is primarily driven by his personal agenda. You surely must have read his demands. None of them is serious.

Its gonna be very tough for IAC to negotiate its path. Ramdev is increasingly being used by RSS and if IAC gets any closer to Ramdev they risk loosing support of large number of people, including me.

Eventually there is gonna be a collision someday. I hate to be pessimistic but I do not see any other way.

Anonymous said...

Kannada TV channel Samaya news has called Baba ramdev as bin laden, i just want to tell them Baba ramdev is building sena for fighting corruption and not to attack on other countries. Some serious steps need to taken against this TV channel.
Program telecasted on 10 june 9 pm

Anonymous said...

I happens only in India ( not in neighboring country)

One who paints nude picture on mother India is awarded Padma Vibhushan
And one who fight against corruption is sent to Jail.

Jai Hind

AB TWILIGHT said...

yes i also support the cause 4 which they r fighting but i am not supporting Ramdev in any way because some of his demands r absurd like compulsory use of hindi in technical education & daily transactions.U should not interfere in those cases bcoz in science English is its language.So this demand seems to be absurd & the latest of making an armed brigade makes all his efforts for a peaceful fast drama a fake.He also supports political agenda & parties like VHP.In democracy every has the to fight against corruption but the power should not be given to wrong hands 4 that it would be the lose of our democracy.

Anonymous said...

hav to fight till the end of corruption

Saubhagya said...

I completely agree with you and it's a very good approach. We want change and better India, so we support both Anna and Baba.

Anonymous said...

A country's currency in circulation is about 2-3 % of the total GDP according to Economics .

In India we have 10 lakh crore rs in circulation as stated by RBI .

so according to Economics this 10 lakh crore currency in circulation is the 2% of the original Indian GDP.

So 10 x 50 = 500 lakh crore is the original Indian GDP but India's GDP is only 60 lakh crore .

Now the question is where is the rest ( 500 - 60 = 440 lakh crore rs ) money ???

Answer :- It is called Black Money.

Baba Ramdev demands 440 lakh crore of black money to be brought back

to India.

But we need a good system so that all the money can be properly used without corruption so support to Anna Hazare too for strong Janlokpal bill .

Prasath said...

Good Thoughts and a Simple Strategy Mayank Bhaiya............both the groups can supplement and complement each other without damaging each other............the target being the anti corruption propaganda and the activities in connection therwith. Regards. Prasadh, Chennai

selvester said...

I feel that people should be always concerned with issues , irrespective of who brings them up. Only those should be concerned with people supporting the issue, who are illiterate or can't understand the issue that they are fighting for. It shouldn't matter to you who is leading it. Problem is many people hasn't read JanLokpal Bill and if credibility of anyone (ex. Bushans) is questioned, they start dropping their fight. Why is that ? If you know that Bill is correct and it should be made an act then why should you stop your fight.
Similarly if you believe that there is corruption money stashed away in swiss banks (as disclosed by swiss bank itself) you should fight for it. (irrespective of who supports it)
As far as Baba Ramdev's inclination towards RSS is concerned, how does it matter ?? srsly ppl as long as he is not making any religious hatred comments like Digi,Raj Thackrey, Modi. That shouldn't be any one's business.
In the end. Everyone has a world view. It's not possible that you'll agree with each of them but that shouldn't stop you from supporting them in a cause that you believe in too.
Grow up People and understand everyone is different!!

Girwar said...

Totally Agree with you. We need to do a lot, these politicians are sitting in parliament after thousands of corrupt act and cunning strategies.

vijen said...

aapne dil ki baat keh di.....great Mayank ji great.....before independence there were many like Gandhi ji and subhas chandra bosh...now Anna ji and baba Ramdev.....u said very very true....both of them should avoid commenting on each but give open compliment to ech other's movement....even i think Anna, Kiran bedi and Arvind kejariwal ji should also visit to baba, atleast once.

Kiran bedi said very nice lines --colour is not matter (on congress comment to Bhagwa- RSS & BJP support)m matter is issue of corruption...

Abhijeet Nagre said...

Though Media is bull dog of Corporates & Government. It's power could not be ignored. Try to potray image of Anna,Arvind Kejriwal & Kiran Bedi. See how we can build more and more media coverage about these people. Leverage Clean & Patriotic image of these people create clean image for IAC movement. There is doubt in people's mind that Anna is Clean but other's in the movement are using him. Some emphasis on other people in movement will do wonders for movement.

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Satya said...

Very well said sir, I do agree with you. These Politicians are very challu, These two leaders ( Ana and Baba) should tackle the press conferences in very careful manner and must evaluate their statements before going to media or public. I believe every politician have deposited their black money in Swiss banks. Today, The BJP government is supporting Baba ji and Anna ji. Do you think that BJP's politician have deposited their black money in foreign banks? So they should be very careful the involvement of any party in this movement because these politicians are corrupt (may not be all).

Anonymous said...

I agree ! I do not care though about exactly how the two leaders communicate etc...but point is that both are important and that what ever we do Govt will keep on playing stone age politics...it is on us to simply consider them as useless, baked and biased comments!

Ram Madarapu said...

Mayankji,

You hit the nail on the head. Both Annaji and Baba are fighting for good causes. But, their approach and mannarisms a different. Anna's team has a laser sharp focus on Jan Lokpal Bill, thanks to Aravind Kejriwal. Presence of other legal luminaries in Anna's team is leaving very little space for govt. to manuare!! Whereas, Baba's demands are bit high level, generic and lacking implementation specifics. Also, he choose to include whole gamat of issues. Nothing wrong in it. Just that some people may not agree with some of the demands and tend to distance themself.

Anyway, point is:
1) Volunteers on the ground should work hand in hand
2) Leaders at national level should work idependently, but with the intention of gaining strength from each other. Their strategies should convey the message of unified fight against corruption and misgovernance.

- Ramgopal Madarapu

Ram Madarapu said...

@Adnaan....JP's movement may have created some undesirable elements (Lalu and Paswan), but it saved India from going down the path of dictatorship!! Unopposed, Indira Gandhi's emergency would have taken us down the path that Pakistan's former president General Zia ul huq took Pakistan to. His success created such a mess in Pakistan that no one is sure if they can ever come out it!!

Also, JP's movement has created and/or strenthened so many other honest politicians (Nitish Kumar, George, Vajpai, Advani etc..) that in a way paved the way for a healthy democratic system we are in right now. If not for JP's movement, God only knows what would have happended to this country.

- Ramgopal Madarapu

adnaan said...

@ Ram Madarapu


Sir,

You don't have the right facts. Total revolution(1974) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayaprakash_Narayan happened before Emergency and was confined to Bihar and thus also known as "Bihar Movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihar_Movement . It was a student's movement. As a result of this movement Indira Gandhi imposed Emergency on June 25 1975. The leaders you talk about were already "made" by then except perhaps Nitish kumar. George found his prominence in Bombay.

It is widely accepted by political analysts that Total revolution started by JP was hijacked by political parties which led to divisions among the student ranks(the cornerstone of the revolution). It became a fight against INC and thus ceased to be a people's revolution. You have to understand INC come's to power because people do vote for it.

Repeating the same mistake again is sheer stupidity even for BJP activists because though Congress will get a minor setback but will also gain a lot of sympathy. That's why it's prudent to be apolitical in such a fight because it benefits no one. Baba Ramdev has affiliations which belie his intentions.

kirti s parkash said...

You are absolutely right Mayank ji,this is how we should act and not fall into the Govt.'s trap.We should move towards our goal single mindedly and try to achieve it.

rujuta said...

We should support both Anna and Baba.
Everyone must contribute maximum possible. Both of them have dared to take on difficult issues against government.Instead of focusing on small mistakes,one must support their cause.We are fighting against the money and muscle power of corrupt people, so we should stand behind them with solidarity.the battle is quite long and ought to be fought till last moment.

Shyam Lal Naik said...

Independence is a continuous struggle. There is no reason to be complacent.

eddiespotty said...

I like your statements viz. "No public criticism of either party. If Anna is asked about private army comment of Baba - he should say that it is better that Baba explain. If Baba is asked about Narendra Modi comments of Anna - then he should say that it is better that Anna explains.
Finally, I am working with Anna Hazare or Baba Ramdev, because they are tools for me to serve my motherland. Everything and everyone is just a mean to serve my nation - including my body and mind." ...

We are with you Mayank ... Thanks for everything

Anonymous said...

First class post!!!

Anonymous said...

That's some cultural post!!

Anonymous said...

Terrific piece of writing...

Anonymous said...

Terrific read!!!

Anonymous said...

That was very illustrative piece of writing...

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Anonymous said...

What an all round incredibly written blog post!!!

Anonymous said...

That is very academic post.

Anonymous said...

Terribly well written article!!

Anonymous said...

Your suggested strategy is correct

Perkins said...

My views are slightly different. United we stand, divided we fall. Looks like we indians have in our blood to get divided very quickly and for silly reasons. Whether baba ramdev is a millionaire or anna ji lives in a temple are irrelevant. What is most important is the sincerity with which they are fighting for the good of coming generations of Indians. One should not find with faults with babaji due to the facts that he owns wealth and wears saffron. These are his personal views and preferences. Again i would say united we stand, divided we fall.